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Well, I’m like this don’t look at you. But then yeah obviously just work students practiced. So you are hanging that bag admin that bags coming to you. Speaking of I haven’t clocked in, I just realized. Them. He’s like an over here trying to put him on some game and you’ll be lacking them. Well, episode. Welcome to unapologetically Isaura. This is the very third episode, unapologetically Isaura is my honest, real, raw take on the world. This pod is for the girls, the gays and the days and the men of quality that can stay enjoying. I’m the last one. You are. I want you to listening to feel almost as if you’re listening to a comadre, a bestie, or someone you just like really trust or whatever, you know? I am your Hostess, Sauda, somebody that is beautiful chaos. And I’m just trying to kick it and talk with you. So join us for this conversation. I hope you stayed through. Grab your tea, grab whatever little drink you sipping on and let’s get down to it. You know what I’m saying? Ain’t nothing to it but to do it. Shout out to Johnny the for today. We have a very special episode, very special guest. Because ladies and gentlemen, I know it’s early in the pod. I know you saw you said this was for Girls gazing days. I know, I know. But today, ladies and gentlemen, we have a man of quality on the pod, and it is nonetheless. Then Mr Godwin Amuzu, AKA young jollof. You know what I’m saying to him? What is Amen. I’ll be honest, he got me in my chair blushing, man. I’m like, I gotta do it. I gotta type it up for you so you can send 

out that link to men of quality is a. They’re gonna have expectations, though, so. It’s a no, I definitely, I definitely think you are. Though when I thought about the very like first man that I wanted to have on this pod, it definitely you definitely came to mind just because I hold the men in my life at a certain standard. As he should. And you even when I am like you’ve always tended to surpass that. You know what I mean? That is loaded. But no, I don’t think so. I don’t think you’re giving yourself enough credit, if I’m honest with you, because you just have a very strong morality around things. And even sometimes you remind me of things that I’m like, damn. And be petty or Dale, I’m doing this. So I just, I really hold you to a really high esteem. So it’s the Godwin. Let me stop piping you up. Let me stop. Let me stop. Because who are you? Who are you doing? Life. What is what is your gotcha? Well, yeah. My name is Godwin Amouzou. 

Oh, no. OK. Young a young Joe love. OK, the genie. So with yebo, I am the genie. I’m the lead facilitator for our E sports programming. So we got the students developing their own team, and I’m just leading on that front. Well, really they are, but I’m supporting them on that front. Yeah, look at you. And there’s another thing that you’ve been getting into. Not only is Godwin a little gamer. I know we talked about gamers with Johnny, but. Yeah. He’s not just a gamer, lady. So. So give us some grace. Give us the grace. He is not only a gamer, but also a poet. Yes. So let’s get into that because you just came out with something called the outta bottle experience. Give me some information on that. What is that? What is your intention with that? Yeah. So other bottles been something I’ve been playing around with for a minute. I think about art and I think about arts ability to create magic. And so the thing we’re at the bottle. Like, really, I just wanted to call my artistic outlet something and have to bother. Just felt right. I’ve been playing with that. It’s just a cool playing award, so I’ve been playing with that a lot. So my current thesis is interpreting moments where soul escapes consciousness through art. That we develop as we’re socialized in the world. But soul is like who we really are and who we really want to be. Yeah. And so I think, I guess going through that with art and with film, with poetry and all that has been super fun to play around. So that’s what the bottle is dope. That’s really dope. And I really enjoyed what you put out on Instagram, which is really dope. And it’s very poetic and it’s very romantic, which amusement myself. So I genuinely do enjoy that, yeah. Godwin and I know each other through yabo. If you didn’t know, I am the growing storyteller at Yibo, and Godwin is the genie you know because he makes **** happens, should appear, **** happens. He you know, he’s, he’s, he’s magical at the end of the day, which is great because we 

are about to get into talking about Godwin, what he’s taught, perspective, he’s talking about who he is. And that is with our segment, our very first segment of the day, the Moon and the Stars. Like I said, and I will continue to say to y’all, I am an astrology girly this is not. And astrology podcast. But I do F with a little bit of astrology. You know what I mean? Put that little sprinkle in there. So this is about the sun, moon and rising of my home of the week. And I’m gonna reiterate just so you know who’s speaking, what perspective perspective they’re speaking from. And we only focus on the Sun, moon and rising. So missed the Godwin. You practiced that one that was. Yeah, I mean, it’s not like I’ve done three of these up to this. 

So got Mr Godwin, the first thing that we’re going to get into is your son. And for those of you that don’t know, your son is your core personality. It’s your purpose in life. It’s like it represents just a very core sense of yourself, right? And you are a son in cancer. Yeah. I’m gonna be honest with you. I don’t know why I’ve been surrounded by so many cancer men lately. Both are mentally and platonically like. I’m just, I’m. I’m like hello can what’s what’s going on? What’s happened nine months before cancer season. But I’m just like having nine months because there’s a lot of y’all. Maybe it’s just like November, December. OK, so it’s festive season. Ohh. Damn. That’s probably why you like Christmas. Your peers are getting down there, Chris, alright. 

But so, so that your son in cancer, it’s very nurturing, right? You’re a very nurturing person. You’re a very protective person. When I thought of protectiveness, though, I thought of your and protectiveness of yourself and of your energy. Yeah, we yeah, we aligned on that front. Yeah. I’ll be honest, when I read things about cancers like it, it comes back to soul and consciousness cause I feel like. Like what they’re naming are things that are true about my soul, but because of the way I was developed like. I don’t know. They shifted. Like, yeah. So in regards to being like nurturing and like protective and all those things, I feel like that exists. Yeah. But I think it’s because of the way that I grew up rather than being that for other people and definitely that for myself. Yeah, that’s and that’s dope that you’ve been able to shift it also into inside. One of the things that I also kind of, there’s a couple of things in here that I was like, yo, this is like it really in retrospect. It made you, it made me see you on a deeper level. Because one of the things was like you may appear passive, right? You do tend to be a very passive person. Would be bad for Godwin as situations he should be mad at, and he’s just like, I don’t. I don’t really care about all that. You so with that you are subtle rather than direct. And I always think about it because like well, you better say some real **** or out of place boundary. You always stutter. Yeah, you’re like I. 

I’m like God. We’re just saying *** **** it. 

And then so there is another thing that said rather than allowing yourself to be driven by changing moods, you benefit from shedding light of conscious reason on your habitual patterns and focus on your true goals. Yeah, that’s the one that was the most interesting part. That is when I was reading my son just cuz I was like, I don’t know, it felt like the most aligned to my, especially recently just cuz one thing I don’t like, I’m probably myself on being able to control my emotions. Recently, yeah, I’ve had a lot of emotions. Like she’s been going down, bro. Yeah. And so this is reflective of that because recently I’ve had to realize, OK, yeah, I have all these changing moves. I have these different emotions. But it’s not a bad thing. It’s just like, how am I working through that? Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think for me that was crazy because you are a very analytical’s not the right word, but very conscious person of your, like, how your decisions. Affect things, yes. And I’m always hearing you talk about like. Yourself in a sense of, like, not even past tense, but like, past tense in the sense of where you are now. Does that make sense? Yeah. No, actually, it doesn’t. But I mean, like where you reflect on what you’ve done in the past. That’s what it says. It talks about habitual patterns of like, you’ve been somewhere. So you always think about it as where you step into the future. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So it was crazy to me and. With that, one of the most beautiful things that I also read was you gravitate towards people that reflect your deeper self to you. 

Yeah. I mean, that’s how you end up at. Yeah. I feel like that’s. Yeah, because I also have this in my chart somewhere. Right, Adam? Yeah. OK. I’d imagine. Yeah. I feel like there’s universal, not universal, universal for us at least. Yeah, definitely. I think this is like the way because we’re all very deep human beings. So even though we’re all very different because you’re very different than I am, but I think we. It’s almost a balance. It’s a mirror, right, of a reflection of like, I don’t even know necessarily a mirror, but it’s a perspective. I think one time Jayden told me he’s like, you kind of taught me how to be more authentic without taking any anything else away from anybody. And that I feel like it’s just a way that reflects how we teach each other things without even having to point them out. Does that make sense? That makes perfect sense. Yeah. I feel like not even just with you, but with everyone in yebo. You all have parts of you that are aligned to me, and parts of you that. Aren’t me, but that I’m learning from and or like essentially like becoming me. So I feel like that’s reflective of that. So this next one is crazy. I don’t know. You might just dumped me and I wanna talk about it, sure. But one of the things that I read and I think it, it speaks directly to what you’ve gone through recently. Ohh, I see, I see. So it says you may alternate between losing yourself, your sense of self from within a relationship to finding your sense of identity and power in that way. Yeah man. 

Hey. Can I. OK. Actually, yeah. Yeah. Go for it. So I just, I think recently you just went through your first relationship, right? Yes, Sir. And I feel like you got, like, lost in the midst of it. Like you got lost in the sauce. Yeah. Like, I mean, you were super excited to like, be in it, and this is no shade towards the person, right? But like, you were so excited to be in that situation. And I feel like you lost your sense of like, what it is that you wanted instead of like, you were learning, right? You were learning what it is to be in a relationship and you almost lost your sense of self and your sense of 100% Yeah. No, that’s not even a question. And I think it’s because I was so infatuated with like the idea of person of yeah, yeah, just having a person being in a relationship and. I was also, I really like to ******* learn. And so that was like, yeah, there’s only one way to learn is through experience. And so that that being my first. Yeah, I was excited. But yeah, got lost in the sauce for sure, man. Got lost in the sauce, you know what I mean? And we’ve talked about this, you know what I mean? I saw it and I was like, yo, that’s crazy. Which is crazy to me because as well, you have a moon in Libra. So for those of you that don’t know, your moon represents your emotional side. And what your heart craves. So Godwin, you romanticize emotions. A lot of poets. Why not? Yeah. So it’s crazy that we talk about, like, you romanticizing a situation and you romanticizing your learnings, especially when there’s another tangible person there. Yeah, that’s bound for disaster. Yeah, yeah. I mean, cuz you’re also a dreamer, you know what 

I mean? Which for me is crazy. And one thing I didn’t mention for your sunshine is you have your son in the 7th house and it represents a concentration of your vital force to relate to others in partnership. So whether that’s in your friendships, whether that’s in relationships, you like to relate to others on a deeper level. Yeah. And you need to relate to people because that’s how you find that level of deepness and comfort. And that’s how you learn. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you’re obsessed with learning, right? I mentioned this to say because, I mean, it just connects exactly to your moon and Libra, where you’re a dreamer, you’re romanticizing, you’re constantly studying your own experiences to redefine your philosophy about life. 

I’ve seen that, and I thought about the bottle that was yeah, you’re just a very dreamy person for me. Does that make sense? Yeah, because I think about like the way I was growing up even. It’s just like yeah, I’m always on the television, always reading something, always like in a different world than the one that we’re in. Just cuz I feel like that’s. I don’t know. Those stories host magic and those stories host like learnings and so yeah, I feel like that’s the way and it’s crazy cause your moon is actually your ruling planet, so it’s the one you feel the strongest, so. For example, you could tell Emilio Rising just by the person I am. Yes indeed. So this is your, like, ruling planet. And I just, I loved it that it said this because it says you’re gentle and refined. And quite honestly, I don’t know why I love you because this is kind of why. Alright, OK, I’ve, I find it. I you are a very safe space for me as a man, particularly just because like because of this, right, and because you have like a very well mannered. It talked a lot about your etiquette in life and how you walk it in a very refined way, in a very gentle way. And for me, that’s just like really important. And I just that’s why you’re here today just because like I just appreciate the type of person you are. Yeah, well, that was the, I appreciate that. But and I also think it’s like it’s reflective cuz you can only be that if your environment is reflected in the relationships that you have are reflected with that. Yeah. So, yeah, you can’t be gentle and refined in the space of people that aren’t similar. In some ways. That’s fair. And I feel like if anything, you’ve taught me. Though like how to be more gentle, how to be like less critical, how do you know what I mean? Because there will be situations around like, **** that you actually. And then you’re like, well, we thought it doesn’t. That’s the balance because you were just talking about like how you became angry for me. And more recently I’ve been like, yeah, I should be angry sometimes. Yeah. For real. Yeah. So that’s the. It’s reciprocal. Yeah. And I think that’s just a part of how you strive to find balance between opposing points of view. I think you are a 

person that very bases themselves. And how to like just just just be able to balance things out, which is crazy because that’s what Libra is about. Like, Libra is literally life balance. That’s their sign. They focus themselves on balance and equilibrium and justice, right? That’s a sign that the scales. Yeah, yeah, that’s the scales. So your moon is in the 9th house, which represents an emotional sensitivity in the area of higher ideals and visionary philosophy. That’s why they hated me in ethics class. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, it’s just, it just makes sense. It makes sense to the person that you are and the way you navigate through life and just how you. You just navigated in a very, like, balanced way, which is crazy to me. That’s funny. I think always seeking balance, for sure. Yes. Yeah. Not yeah. Not necessarily. You’re not necessarily always balanced. I’m not saying you don’t have moments, but I definitely think, yeah, like the seek of this has to make. mean? It has to balance. It has to make sense. Yes. So you’re rising. You have hold on when I put it on there. Capricorn you have. Yes, you have a rising. You have a rising in Capricorn. Which is funny, because there’s one particular thing about your Capricorn that just sticks out to me like a sore freaking thumb. Are you stressing me out? So capricorns are again are stigmatized and being very cold and very retreated. 

And one of the things that I was like, yo hold on, was your aloofness may function as a way to insulate yourself from close contact with others. 

I’ll be frank. I didn’t actually read the rise last him to skim the scum. Do your notes. That’s interesting. You want to know why? I think so, yeah, I think. Why? It’s stuck. It’s stuck out. Like for me. I could sort thumb, I think. I pride myself in people being coming to me and trusting in me, so I’ve had various situations, especially with friendships. People run to me and like they have this sense of vulnerability with me that like. I just have. I don’t. And it might sound weird, but I just have this thing where people feel vulnerable around me and they feel like they can talk to me, and I almost feel like I’m cracking them open. You know what I mean? Yeah. I’ve never had that with you. Yeah, I’ve never ever, ever had that with you. And I’m just like, at one point it stressed me out because I was like, who doesn’t work with me? But when I read this, I was like wow, like. I don’t do you have the what do you? So this is like you need therapy type B but like. Yeah, definitely accurate. Because to be honest, I can only think about a few people. Like when I’m in those moments of stress and when I when I’m seeking something. Yeah, well, tend to do is actually seek people I’m actually fairly removed from because I’m looking for something objective. And because I know if I go to people close to me like they have a deeper understanding of me. And so they’re gonna tell me something I’m really actually not even trying to hear. Because that means because if I hear it, I’m gonna have to work on it type. Taxi. Taxi. It’s not good. It’s not good. I can hear that you’re not helping Capricorn. Yeah, no, no. But with that right, you are ambitious. You are practical. You were you were conscious of social mores, almost to the point of over concern. I loved ethics class. That’s always making me. Yeah. I think like we always constantly talk about the way we move in the world. And I it’s funny when I read this because like whenever I do some stupid **** you’re like, yeah, right, good, good at it. You’re like, go ahead, go. You said go, you know what I mean? But I feel like you navigate yourself in the in the world in a very morally correct way. 

Gotcha. Yeah. So it’s just it’s it’s crazy to me, but one of the other craziest things was, um, Capricorn represents accomplishments in the material world, prestige, honor, and public success. The driving force though behind it all might be a sense of insecurity or low self esteem. Yeah. Makes me think about like my last name or my brother. Not, not even just my brother. My brothers and my family shout out to the muzzles. Yes. But yeah, when I hear the word prestige on it and these are like strong words, that’s a that’s a lot. But I do think about honoring the people that came before me Yeah. So that’s like the reason for the ambition. Yeah. So it says life is not easy for people with this ascendant. Yeah, I’ve read that part. What the ****? I was like, you’re such a said, maybe you’re traumatized. Go to therapy, please, I beg of you, go to therapy. And then so the last thing I want to talk about within this is that your redemption comes from allowing the love you feel inside of yourself to express itself in visible acts of kindness. That’s deep, right? Your redemption comes from allowing the love you feel inside of yourself to express it. It’s and now the redemption part. I was kind of stuck on cause block. Do you have to redeem yourself for? Right but. Yeah, I think about what? Nah. When you grow up as a man in this country, especially when. Especially when you’re environment is. And I’m not saying, yo, I was, I was raised very well. But just being America and being in this society as a man, like you’re gonna be raised a certain way and you’re gonna internalize certain things. And so when I think about redemption, I think about the man that was before even in high school. Once again, I’m not saying I did nothing crazy, but yeah, I wasn’t like, I’m not the man. I’m here. I’m not the man I wanted to be sitting in front of us today. Thank you. That’s that’s all I was looking for. Not the man that’s in front of y’all today. So when I think about redemption, it’s like not allowing myself to regress into the man that I was for. Sure. Yeah. 

No. And I mean, again, This is why you’re here, Godwin. Because one of the biggest things that I see in the men that I have in my life is the ability to for me to be like, Nah. Look what you just did and then them being able to go back into themselves and be like, alright, you know what I mean, and then come back to me. And it’s it’s it’s a very like girl, don’t. I’m not gonna tell you. I do it all the time. Yeah, but I definitely try to hold the men in my life to a certain esteem. At least my friendships. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Here. It’s good when he hears all of my toxic stories, all of my relationship problems. And I tell you this particularly because you’re so objective, but you’re also also, you gotta be like, girl, you ain’t in the wrong, nothing wrong what you did. And then you have moments where you look at me and you’re like, yeah, that’s true. Which this literally chat like transitions me into our very next segment for today, which is real talk. Um, real talk is a segment where a guest and I talk about real world issues. We get into it like it’s usually things like sexism, colorism, racism, all the isms in the world, or just some real topics in the world, right? And we discuss it for today. Because you are here and you’re the first pan of quality on this pond. I should get you a question. This is man equality anyway. It’s never. Wait. 

So we’re going to get into some, what, toxic masculinity versus divine masculinity, right? I do want to particularly point out that divine masculinity is a lot more spiritual and. Toxic masculinity is very society based, right? So I don’t know. I just want to kind of get into first toxic masculinity, talk about your experience with it and then move on to divine. Divine yo. Hello divine masculinity. So First things first is. I have some notes down, you know, your girl came prepared. If I’m anything is prepared up in this crap, y’all OK. So toxic masculinity, it’s unconditional physical toughness. So there’s not the inability to like, feel hurt, right? Physical aggression, fear of emotion. Discrimination of the people that aren’t heterosexual. Which, let me be honest, oftentimes if a man gets really offended when you ask him if he’s gay, It’s that he ate all that straight up and be honest with you and I wanted to bring this up particularly because. You talked, you talked about at one point. I don’t know if I could bring this up. Ohh, you talked about it at at at one point thinking that you were gay. Ohh. Yes. Yeah, it was very brief. But yeah, but it was because you weren’t like, I’m assuming. Right, because you aren’t this very hard like overly masculine man. Right. Would you agree with that statement or? It’s OK to be honest, it stems from two places. OK. Yeah. One is similar in that lens where I was like, yeah, I’m not like the. Other men in my life like, and granted they’re not even especially tough, especially as I grew up, I realized that, but they seem tough to me. So that was one side of it. And honestly, the other side of it was like, wow, I am getting no play on this side of the field. So maybe I have more luck with the other words. And I was indulging in a lot of the things that I guess we’re kind of adjacent to LGBTQ culture back then. And it’s not even, it’s not even like they should be. But I love Steven universe. That shows like very queer. He’s that shows gay and he’s gay. Yeah, but it is. So, like when I was indulging in things like that, I was like maybe. Took me like 2 weeks. So I was like no, I like no. And it. And it brings me to this point of like, queerness doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re gay. Queerness means 

that you. Um, have a different thought process or a different, like a different view of things, right? Queerness is often thought of as like you’re automatically a part of the LGBT community. No, it just means that you stray from the norm, stray from the norm of heterosexual culture, like, you know what I mean? So that is like something that’s like was really interesting to me. Moving on though. Masculinity also includes violence. A lot that I talked about was like 90% of people in jail are like or men in jail are because of violent crimes. Um and then chauvinism. So chauvinism is a term derived from a French soldier, Nicolas Nicolas Chavon. 

You and I got some fresh in there. It’s defined by an excessive and unreasonable patriotism. In modern society though this term has served shift shifted. This term has shifted to represent ultra national nationalism or attitudes of superiority. At times people use the term male chauvinism to describe anti feminist beliefs that are that men are superior to women. Yeah, see that? Isn’t that crazy though. There’s a whole lot of time for y’all out here. Ohh yeah. I just wanted to have this conversation on, like, I don’t know if you went through these motions of toxic masculinity because I’m honestly, like, in the phase of reversing them from myself. Yeah. I was about to say I also feel like being a man in this. Society, you’re never gonna stop battling these things. Yeah. No, it’s too common. It’s too common. I know for myself. Yeah, fear of emotion. 

Yeah, if you have a fear of emotion and hyper independence are the ones that strike the most for me. Maybe earlier in my life, the others, but like that’s super early in my life. Uh. Yeah, my relationship and OK, obviously talk to masculinity, it’s stemming from, it stems from patriarchy. So we all are like victims of this ****. Yeah, I guess, yeah. My relationship to toxic masculinity, though, at least recently, feels more like. You know, when I talk about those regressions, like, that’s what I’m talking about. Like, I don’t want to regress into like being scared to feel these things, and I don’t want to regress into like. Going right back into my bubble and all those things. I feel like I have to do all those things. Yeah, let’s hear about the others. But. Should they show up? Maybe I’m just not thinking critically enough about them, Um, and I mean, I’ve had to check myself as well in friendships, you know what I mean? And like, I will always reference back to, like, one of my friends being like, you know what? Like you’re kind of mean. And to me, the way you talk to me. Yeah. And the jokes that you do. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I feel like with you it’s funny because it’s different. Like I’m I I like, I I’d be, I’d be ****** with you. But like for fun. And I think, you know, it’s never serious. I I do. And I think it’s, I don’t know, I think it’s interesting because like I remember at some point in my life, like, yeah, we always talk about. You’re like when you’re joking with your friends, you gonna say you say some crazy things sometimes. Yeah. And like sometimes it’s just like straight up meme. But like, you know, it’s a joke. But at the same time, you say joke enough times and it becomes the truth, right? So that’s something I’ve been battling recently. Even when I’m joking with y’all sometimes, sometimes it’ll just be like something straight up rude. That’s funny in the moment, but I can’t imagine being back. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that’s something that I had to battle with. And the fact that, I mean, it was Jayden, right where he was. Like, you don’t really make me feel great when you joke around with me. Like, you don’t make me feel like it’s a friendship, and I, I reflected. I had to reflect back on it and be like. I really don’t, because I feel like there’s two very starkly different sides of myself, you know what I mean? And they coexist very. 

Greatly in the fact of, like, I’m a very feminine person as the fact that I care about your emotions, I care about where you’re talking from, where you’re coming from, and I care to nurture you, right? And then when we came down to kick her, when I feel attacked or when I you’re talking about I’m gonna come at you real slick, right? Yeah. And with I, I feel like I had to, like, reflect in the fact that I was like, I don’t wanna make him feel this way. If anything, I want to affirm him and our friendship. And even when we’re joking like I grew up with around men, you know what I mean? I literally grew up around four men. I like. I always had dudes in my life. I used to be a pygmy, like on some real stuff. I used to have only do like guy friends like. It was crazy, you know what I mean? And like I, I realized that like through the way that they would like relate to me would be making fun of me and picking at me, right? And picking at. And as I had relationships with girls that were also low key pygmies, they had that same habit of picking out everything I was and everything that I did. So as I reflected back on my relationship between them and what I wanted to come of, it was I wanted a sense of like him to feel comfortable with our friendship, like him to feel. Define affirmed him. And I loved him because that was a reality of it, you know? And I just realized that, like, my words hurt. And for him it wasn’t funny, where like as Maddie and I could really come at each other a certain way, she wouldn’t really care, right? But for him, it had deeper than that. It wasn’t just jokes. He internalized it and it it didn’t feel right to him. And it made me analyze. All of my interactions, particularly with men, of like how I treat them and how I treat them in friendship. For me, what the most interesting part of this is, is like alright, like what you. You learned something from that and you identified it as toxic masculinity. He was working on that. I always think about like the work that Jenna had to do, because we all have to do it, actually. OK, I guess we don’t all do it at some point, but. You should. You might get to it. Please. But it’s like that work. Like, I guarantee 

you, I guarantee you. Like where he learned to internalize that and say, yo, that’s not OK with me. It was learned from the women in his life. I guarantee you. I guarantee you it. So I just. Yeah. I just think that’s interesting, And now that we’ve talked about toxic masculinity, I think it’s only fair to talk about divine masculinity, which I honestly, I haven’t talked about much like I feel like. They’re always talking about it, but I truly didn’t know what it was. Does that make sense until I researched it? So, The divine masculinity is marked by action. The energy represents leadership, taking charge and doing rather than being, unlike the feminine energy which is meant to teach us to let things flow and come to us. It’s the I don’t chase, I attract type of vibes. That’s. That’s feminine. OK, I see. And then masculine energy teaches us to follow through. Wow. So the way I identify myself with my math, my divine masculine. It’s the visual visible, not visual visible. Passion and power. So there’s this, like this visible. Like, I love doing this right? And that’s where I identify myself the most with divine masculinity. It’s the confidence. Why don’t identify myself this as much, but I would want to set boundaries. And I see you there too, a lot. I definitely got boundaries. Yeah, you, you set boundaries with your energy a lot. Like you have times where like I could just see it in your face when you’re over it. And I’m like, alright bet. So I’m gonna pipe down real quick and let Mens be. It’s very clear. Divine masculine is very clear on its wants and needs. It’s logical and it’s very logical and analyzes and it’s objective and it’s disciplined. Brings back to that. Like Libra. Yeah, that Libra energy. That’s interesting. It feels good to have like a definition to divine masculine right that 

this feel good it has like and and and honestly for those of you listening and our man and you’re listening to this and I’m like, yo, I want to be this and I want to embody this. How do I activate it within myself? Yeah, how do you. Yeah. How do I activate divine masculinity? Well, don’t you? I got you. Like I’m gonna put you on. OK. So hack to activate your divine masculinity. It’s affirmations about strength, logic, and discipline. So I am a warrior. I am a master of self-discipline. I see things. Clearly and objectively, I am confident. I know when to take action. I like that second one. I am a master of self-discipline. Super Nice, isn’t it? Nice? Yeah. I realized that this is really in the era that I’m in right now. And then where I’m going. And let me tell you why, cuz it’s really interesting as to what we’re going to do because I feel like we’re both in the space of like I’m done talking about this **** it’s time to do it, you know what I mean? Because so divine masculinity takes risks with confidence. So you have to take risks with confidence if you are someone that has great ideas but is afraid to put them out into the world because you’re attached to the outcome. Let it go. Put it out into the world, and whatever comes of it will flourish. Whatever needs to happen with it will flourish. And that is where you learn how to balance your divine and feminine masculinity, right? You’re putting things out into the world, and you know that they will flourish because it’s an idea that you put out into the world and it will attract the traction that it needs, right? Yeah, I heard some similar like from Tyler, The Creator recently and it’s just about. Yeah, just like releasing and allowing. Your ideas and the stuff that you work on to just be. another thing is like start where you are so excess feminine energy can cause stagnation and inaction. Um. So you just have to start from where you are. You have to start somewhere. It doesn’t have to be perfect, right? Which brings us to our very next point of how to activate your divine masculinity is less 

internalization, more action. So keeping a lot of ideas internal and wanting to perfect it before putting it out in the world is useless. Nothing is going to be perfect until you actually put it out there and start morphing it. And that’s where I’m at here with unapologetically soda, if I’m quite honest. Like this is. Where I’m at like I’m doing a lot of low lifts of like I’ve taught I I can’t even tell you. I talked about the shift for like 2 years and I I feel like everybody was tired of me. Like this girl is never gonna put this **** out. And I just realized this cause I wanted things to be perfect. I was scared of the outcome because I needed things to be perfect. I’m learning now. The video we’re gonna one day we’re gonna have a set, right? Is it right now? No. But this is what we have for now. You know what I mean? One day I’m gonna have. Like a more concise way of like, hosting in my perfect right now. No. But it’s where I’m at right now when I’m learning. Right. And I get to bring my audience on this journey of learning with me. Yes. I love how you’re saying where you are going to be. Like, it’s not even a question like this is where I will be. Yeah. And right now it’s just building blocks. You’re building that foundation. Just keep building, building, building, right. And I’m like, and it’s great because there’s certain things where, like it doesn’t have to be perfect, but. I was like me with my cover art. It didn’t have to be perfect, but for me, I knew there was key things that I wanted, so I made those happen. I was action based and decisive and those things. And look at the amazing *** cover I have. Yeah, if you haven’t looked at my cover, I’m so cute. No joke. I’m not playing with y’all y’all ohh y’all forgot, y’all forgot who I was. Hello. Ohh. 

So then and then the next point that I have, which I really struggled with particularly was healing your relationship to the masculine. If you hold bad experiences with men or and overly aggressive people, especially close male figures, you need to heal them. I struggled with this, right? Because men have disappointed me my whole life, like. And in a very this is a very vulnerable moment right now, but like up to from my dad. Like my dad left when he was a month old. When I was a month old, he left my mom and I with nothing, right? My mom had to take charge of the household and be the head of the household. She had to work. horns and take action, right? And and in every relationship that I’ve had with men within my life, whether it’s cause like my abuse as a kid was at the hands of a man, right? Like, there was just this consistent, like, disappointment in men. And I say this and I will reiterate this once again and again. And it’s not that I don’t mean to put any pressure on y’all, but I feel like the relationship I’ve had with you, the relationship I’ve had with Corey, the relationship I’ve had with Jayden, really has healed a part of that. But I feel like there’s still something they’re missing in the sense of like, I also need to heal my relationship with like, stay, stay, set. And like, I mean, this is another unique therapy moment, but like. So that that relationship, or like heal that relationship with my father, heal the relationship with ultimately like my abuser, not in the sense I need to forgive him, but like in the sense of like I need to be OK, right? Let go of the anger or hatred I have towards them, because that’s ultimately triggered my distrust in all men and it has me perpetrating that or putting it on to them. That was a deep reflection, yeah. Do you think you’ve killed your relationship to the masculine? 

Hey, OK, unapologetic. 

Do I feel like I’ve healed my relationship to the masculine I I feel like. I feel like recently I’ve done a regression in that relationship, which was a good thing. It needed to happen cuz I won’t say I felt like. I’ll never say like I felt good where I was at in regards to my relationship to the masculine, but I do know like I didn’t know where to go. So since I had that regression, I’ve realized. You know, a specific hole was poked. And so now I feel really like, I feel like I know what I need to focus on and the work that I have to do. Do you think you were pushing away like certain emotions or like cuz I feel like it’s like, it’s like I’m OK, I’m OK. I’m OK. This has to be OK, right? But then you’re pushing away certain things that you felt like you needed to heal or work through with somebody. Or I feel like for me one of the biggest things, holding somebody accountable for the actions that they’ve made. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think about, yeah, that’s actually that last one. I mean, I think about accountability like and I think about like. Yeah, there there are emotions that I’m feeling and I’ve been doing a great job of recognizing them. But like, it’s also like, how do you move through those emotions? And I was always stagnant in regards to that. So I feel like that’s the whole that was poked and what I’m gonna have to start, I guess, working on. OK, Libra coming through through that Capricorn Rising. I’m right. So the very last thing we have for this divine masculine is standing up for yourself. So remember that sometimes we do have to set boundaries and stick up for ourselves. Even if it’s means pressing somebody’s buttons and it directly correlates what you were just talking about with the accountability, it’s not that you want to hurt anyone. When we don’t stand up for what we believe in, we actually hurt ourselves. So we’re internalizing the hurt that somebody else has an accident on us. So he was talking about, yeah, just now with all the people that you mentioned. He’s like there. She loved Harry. Well, meet you where you’re at, where we are, where we are. No, that’s true of like, you know. 

It’s convenient for the people that have hurt you for. Like that have hurt you to have that hurt in you rather than you holding them accountable for what you did and setting that boundary. If you are no longer going to do this to me. And I feel like it’s a balance right? Because I feel like the experiences that I’ve gone through almost have made me overly critical of the men that are great in my life I I have these fears around my experience so I’m a little over critical of a person or I don’t have any boundaries with them. And I feel like specifically with women, I tend to not have boundaries a lot of the time. Well, that’s dangerous. Yeah. But I feel you. I I think that’s an easy thing to do with same gender. Honestly, when I think about my boundaries. Yeah, they get looser around the dose that I’m with. Right. I’ve also learned that in friendships, there are certain boundaries I have to set with women, and there’s certain things that I don’t like. And I mean, that’s how that’s how you activate your divine femininity. I mean, divine masculinity. And I want to you guys to remember that it’s a balance. You can’t just seek one and not have the other. Divine family, divine femininity and divine masculinity go hand in hand, right? So the seek is a seek of equilibrium. It’s a seek of OK, OK, Mr Libra, look at you, Mr Libra moon. He said, all right. OK. So the very last segment we have for today and something that we will always, always, always, always end with, so get used to it is the affirmation of the day. It’s just a chance for me and my guests to affirm ourselves and to be like, hey, this is what we got today. This is what I’m feeling on the inside and this is what I need to hear. I am a woman that is that loves words of affirmation. So if you resonate it, resonate with it, great. If not, you know it’s not the message you needed to hear today and that’s also OK. Um, so my affirmation for today. Is. I divinely walk in action with my creative endeavors. I’m gonna say it one more time. 

Did you like it or not? Ohh it over here man. You know what I’m saying. You thought you were the only one. God would. They might have to have me at the bottle soon. Who knows? Um, I’m gonna say it one more time for the people in the back. I walk divinely. And in action through my creative endeavors. 

That’s a good one. That’s. Yeah, that’s poetic. I feel like yours doesn’t have to be all that poetic. God, we just went and did the same thing. I was like, I knew this was coming, but I didn’t come prepared. Affirmation that we need to hear. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know if there’s affirmation, but I think about like. Yo, you or I? Gather. Indulge. In. Well, that’s too much. But yeah, I don’t know. I think about soul. I think about heart and just indulging in that, living in it, swimming in it. soul. I indulge in my soul, soul, soul. I indulge in my soul. Look at that. You’ll hear that. Oh, my God, look at that low Berry. Ladies, calm down. Calm down. No, that is beautiful. I indulge in my soul and particularly what we’ve been talking about today and how reflective you are. I think that’s beautiful. I just want to thank you, dude, for coming on the pod. Yeah, thank you. There’s like a real yeah. I’ll be honest, like I’ll hear the podcast episodes. I’m like, Oh yeah, this is this is good. But it’s like a real experience. Preciate that I appreciate you so much and I mean that’s what I strive for so. I wanna thank you, the listener, for sticking with us this far. Yo, we’re on episode 3, and it’s only getting better and better and better. But thank you for riding with this, homie. I hope you enjoyed the ride, because this has been unapologetically Saudi, you know what I’m saying? Get 

it out of there. 

This is a Gabo pod production. 

Well, I’m like this don’t look at you. But then yeah obviously just work students practiced. So you are hanging that bag admin that bags coming to you. Speaking of I haven’t clocked in, I just realized. Them. He’s like an over here trying to put him on some game and you’ll be lacking them. Well, episode. Welcome to unapologetically Sauda. This is the very third episode, unapologetically, Sauda is my honest, real, raw take on the world. This pod is for the girls, the gays and the days and the men of quality that can stay enjoying. I’m the last one. You are. I want you to listening to feel almost as if you’re listening to a comrade, a bestie, or someone you just like really trust or whatever, you know? I am your Hostess, Sauda, somebody that is beautiful chaos. And I’m just trying to kick it and talk with you. So join us for this conversation. I hope you stayed through. Grab your tea, grab whatever little drink you sipping on and let’s get down to it. You know what I’m saying? Ain’t nothing to it but to do it. Shout out to Johnny the for today. We have a very special episode, very special guest. Because ladies and gentlemen, I know it’s early in the pod. I know you saw you said this was for Girls gazing days. I know, I know. But today, ladies and gentlemen, we have a man of quality on the pod, and it is nonetheless. Then Mr Godwin Amuzu, AKA young jollof. You know what I’m saying to him? What is Amen. I’ll be honest, he got me in my chair blushing, man. I’m like, I gotta do it. I gotta type it up for you so you can send 

out that link to men of quality is a. They’re gonna have expectations, though, so. It’s a no, I definitely, I definitely think you are. Though when I thought about the very like first man that I wanted to have on this pod, it definitely you definitely came to mind just because I hold the men in my life at a certain standard. As he should. And you even when I am like you’ve always tended to surpass that. You know what I mean? That is loaded. But no, I don’t think so. I don’t think you’re giving yourself enough credit, if I’m honest with you, because you just have a very strong morality around things. And even sometimes you remind me of things that I’m like, damn. And be petty or Dale, I’m doing this. So I just, I really hold you to a really high esteem. So it’s the Godwin. Let me stop piping you up. Let me stop. Let me stop. Because who are you? Who are you doing? Life. What is what is your gotcha? Well, yeah. My name is Gordon Amuzu. 

Oh, no. OK. Young a young Joe love. OK, the genie. So with yebo, I am the genie. I’m the lead facilitator for our E sports programming. So we got the students developing their own team, and I’m just leading on that front. Well, really they are, but I’m supporting them on that front. Yeah, look at you. And there’s another thing that you’ve been getting into. Not only is Godwin a little gamer. I know we talked about gamers with Johnny, but. Yeah. He’s not just a gamer, lady. So. So give us some grace. Give us the grace. He is not only a gamer, but also a poet. Yes. So let’s get into that because you just came out with something called the outta bottle experience. Give me some information on that. What is that? What is your intention with that? Yeah. So other bottles been something I’ve been playing around with for a minute. I think about art and I think about arts ability to create magic. And so the thing we’re at the bottle. Like, really, I just wanted to call my artistic outlet something and have to bother. Just felt right. I’ve been playing with that. It’s just a cool playing award, so I’ve been playing with that a lot. So my current thesis is interpreting moments where soul escapes consciousness through art. That we develop as we’re socialized in the world. But soul is like who we really are and who we really want to be. Yeah. And so I think, I guess going through that with art and with film, with poetry and all that has been super fun to play around. So that’s what the bottle is dope. That’s really dope. And I really enjoyed what you put out on Instagram, which is really dope. And it’s very poetic and it’s very romantic, which amusement myself. So I genuinely do enjoy that, yeah. Godwin and I know each other through yabo. If you didn’t know, I am the growing storyteller at Yibo, and Godwin is the genie you know because he makes **** happens, should appear, **** happens. He you know, he’s, he’s, he’s magical at the end of the day, which is great because we 

are about to get into talking about Godwin, what he’s taught, perspective, he’s talking about who he is. And that is with our segment, our very first segment of the day, the Moon and the Stars. Like I said, and I will continue to say to y’all, I am an astrology girly this is not. And astrology podcast. But I do F with a little bit of astrology. You know what I mean? Put that little sprinkle in there. So this is about the sun, moon and rising of my home of the week. And I’m gonna reiterate just so you know who’s speaking, what perspective perspective they’re speaking from. And we only focus on the Sun, moon and rising. So missed the Godwin. You practiced that one that was. Yeah, I mean, it’s not like I’ve done three of these up to this. 

So got Mr Godwin, the first thing that we’re going to get into is your son. And for those of you that don’t know, your son is your core personality. It’s your purpose in life. It’s like it represents just a very core sense of yourself, right? And you are a son in cancer. Yeah. I’m gonna be honest with you. I don’t know why I’ve been surrounded by so many cancer men lately. Both are mentally and platonically like. I’m just, I’m. I’m like hello can what’s what’s going on? What’s happened nine months before cancer season. But I’m just like having nine months because there’s a lot of y’all. Maybe it’s just like November, December. OK, so it’s festive season. Ohh. Damn. That’s probably why you like Christmas. Your peers are getting down there, Chris, alright. 

But so, so that your son in cancer, it’s very nurturing, right? You’re a very nurturing person. You’re a very protective person. When I thought of protectiveness, though, I thought of your and protectiveness of yourself and of your energy. Yeah, we yeah, we aligned on that front. Yeah. I’ll be honest, when I read things about cancers like it, it comes back to soul and consciousness cause I feel like. Like what they’re naming are things that are true about my soul, but because of the way I was developed like. I don’t know. They shifted. Like, yeah. So in regards to being like nurturing and like protective and all those things, I feel like that exists. Yeah. But I think it’s because of the way that I grew up rather than being that for other people and definitely that for myself. Yeah, that’s and that’s dope that you’ve been able to shift it also into inside. One of the things that I also kind of, there’s a couple of things in here that I was like, yo, this is like it really in retrospect. It made you, it made me see you on a deeper level. Because one of the things was like you may appear passive, right? You do tend to be a very passive person. Would be bad for Godwin as situations he should be mad at, and he’s just like, I don’t. I don’t really care about all that. You so with that you are subtle rather than direct. And I always think about it because like well, you better say some real **** or out of place boundary. You always stutter. Yeah, you’re like I. 

I’m like God. We’re just saying *** **** it. 

And then so there is another thing that said rather than allowing yourself to be driven by changing moods, you benefit from shedding light of conscious reason on your habitual patterns and focus on your true goals. Yeah, that’s the one that was the most interesting part. That is when I was reading my son just cuz I was like, I don’t know, it felt like the most aligned to my, especially recently just cuz one thing I don’t like, I’m probably myself on being able to control my emotions. Recently, yeah, I’ve had a lot of emotions. Like she’s been going down, bro. Yeah. And so this is reflective of that because recently I’ve had to realize, OK, yeah, I have all these changing moves. I have these different emotions. But it’s not a bad thing. It’s just like, how am I working through that? Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think for me that was crazy because you are a very analytical’s not the right word, but very conscious person of your, like, how your decisions. Affect things, yes. And I’m always hearing you talk about like. Yourself in a sense of, like, not even past tense, but like, past tense in the sense of where you are now. Does that make sense? Yeah. No, actually, it doesn’t. But I mean, like where you reflect on what you’ve done in the past. That’s what it says. It talks about habitual patterns of like, you’ve been somewhere. So you always think about it as where you step into the future. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So it was crazy to me and. With that, one of the most beautiful things that I also read was you gravitate towards people that reflect your deeper self to you. 

Yeah. I mean, that’s how you end up at. Yeah. I feel like that’s. Yeah, because I also have this in my chart somewhere. Right, Adam? Yeah. OK. I’d imagine. Yeah. I feel like there’s universal, not universal, universal for us at least. Yeah, definitely. I think this is like the way because we’re all very deep human beings. So even though we’re all very different because you’re very different than I am, but I think we. It’s almost a balance. It’s a mirror, right, of a reflection of like, I don’t even know necessarily a mirror, but it’s a perspective. I think one time Jayden told me he’s like, you kind of taught me how to be more authentic without taking any anything else away from anybody. And that I feel like it’s just a way that reflects how we teach each other things without even having to point them out. Does that make sense? That makes perfect sense. Yeah. I feel like not even just with you, but with everyone in yebo. You all have parts of you that are aligned to me, and parts of you that. Aren’t me, but that I’m learning from and or like essentially like becoming me. So I feel like that’s reflective of that. So this next one is crazy. I don’t know. You might just dumped me and I wanna talk about it, sure. But one of the things that I read and I think it, it speaks directly to what you’ve gone through recently. Ohh, I see, I see. So it says you may alternate between losing yourself, your sense of self from within a relationship to finding your sense of identity and power in that way. Yeah man. 

Hey. Can I. OK. Actually, yeah. Yeah. Go for it. So I just, I think recently you just went through your first relationship, right? Yes, Sir. And I feel like you got, like, lost in the midst of it. Like you got lost in the sauce. Yeah. Like, I mean, you were super excited to like, be in it, and this is no shade towards the person, right? But like, you were so excited to be in that situation. And I feel like you lost your sense of like, what it is that you wanted instead of like, you were learning, right? You were learning what it is to be in a relationship and you almost lost your sense of self and your sense of 100% Yeah. No, that’s not even a question. And I think it’s because I was so infatuated with like the idea of person of yeah, yeah, just having a person being in a relationship and. I was also, I really like to ******* learn. And so that was like, yeah, there’s only one way to learn is through experience. And so that that being my first. Yeah, I was excited. But yeah, got lost in the sauce for sure, man. Got lost in the sauce, you know what I mean? And we’ve talked about this, you know what I mean? I saw it and I was like, yo, that’s crazy. Which is crazy to me because as well, you have a moon in Libra. So for those of you that don’t know, your moon represents your emotional side. And what your heart craves. So Godwin, you romanticize emotions. A lot of poets. Why not? Yeah. So it’s crazy that we talk about, like, you romanticizing a situation and you romanticizing your learnings, especially when there’s another tangible person there. Yeah, that’s bound for disaster. Yeah, yeah. I mean, cuz you’re also a dreamer, you know what 

I mean? Which for me is crazy. And one thing I didn’t mention for your sunshine is you have your son in the 7th house and it represents a concentration of your vital force to relate to others in partnership. So whether that’s in your friendships, whether that’s in relationships, you like to relate to others on a deeper level. Yeah. And you need to relate to people because that’s how you find that level of deepness and comfort. And that’s how you learn. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you’re obsessed with learning, right? I mentioned this to say because, I mean, it just connects exactly to your moon and Libra, where you’re a dreamer, you’re romanticizing, you’re constantly studying your own experiences to redefine your philosophy about life. 

I’ve seen that, and I thought about the bottle that was yeah, you’re just a very dreamy person for me. Does that make sense? Yeah, because I think about like the way I was growing up even. It’s just like yeah, I’m always on the television, always reading something, always like in a different world than the one that we’re in. Just cuz I feel like that’s. I don’t know. Those stories host magic and those stories host like learnings and so yeah, I feel like that’s the way and it’s crazy cause your moon is actually your ruling planet, so it’s the one you feel the strongest, so. For example, you could tell Emilio Rising just by the person I am. Yes indeed. So this is your, like, ruling planet. And I just, I loved it that it said this because it says you’re gentle and refined. And quite honestly, I don’t know why I love you because this is kind of why. Alright, OK, I’ve, I find it. I you are a very safe space for me as a man, particularly just because like because of this, right, and because you have like a very well mannered. It talked a lot about your etiquette in life and how you walk it in a very refined way, in a very gentle way. And for me, that’s just like really important. And I just that’s why you’re here today just because like I just appreciate the type of person you are. Yeah, well, that was the, I appreciate that. But and I also think it’s like it’s reflective cuz you can only be that if your environment is reflected in the relationships that you have are reflected with that. Yeah. So, yeah, you can’t be gentle and refined in the space of people that aren’t similar. In some ways. That’s fair. And I feel like if anything, you’ve taught me. Though like how to be more gentle, how to be like less critical, how do you know what I mean? Because there will be situations around like, **** that you actually. And then you’re like, well, we thought it doesn’t. That’s the balance because you were just talking about like how you became angry for me. And more recently I’ve been like, yeah, I should be angry sometimes. Yeah. For real. Yeah. So that’s the. It’s reciprocal. Yeah. And I think that’s just a part of how you strive to find balance between opposing points of view. I think you are a 

person that very bases themselves. And how to like just just just be able to balance things out, which is crazy because that’s what Libra is about. Like, Libra is literally life balance. That’s their sign. They focus themselves on balance and equilibrium and justice, right? That’s a sign that the scales. Yeah, yeah, that’s the scales. So your moon is in the 9th house, which represents an emotional sensitivity in the area of higher ideals and visionary philosophy. That’s why they hated me in ethics class. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, it’s just, it just makes sense. It makes sense to the person that you are and the way you navigate through life and just how you. You just navigated in a very, like, balanced way, which is crazy to me. That’s funny. I think always seeking balance, for sure. Yes. Yeah. Not yeah. Not necessarily. You’re not necessarily always balanced. I’m not saying you don’t have moments, but I definitely think, yeah, like the seek of this has to make. mean? It has to balance. It has to make sense. Yes. So you’re rising. You have hold on when I put it on there. Capricorn you have. Yes, you have a rising. You have a rising in Capricorn. Which is funny, because there’s one particular thing about your Capricorn that just sticks out to me like a sore freaking thumb. Are you stressing me out? So capricorns are again are stigmatized and being very cold and very retreated. 

And one of the things that I was like, yo hold on, was your aloofness may function as a way to insulate yourself from close contact with others. 

I’ll be frank. I didn’t actually read the rise last him to skim the scum. Do your notes. That’s interesting. You want to know why? I think so, yeah, I think. Why? It’s stuck. It’s stuck out. Like for me. I could sort thumb, I think. I pride myself in people being coming to me and trusting in me, so I’ve had various situations, especially with friendships. People run to me and like they have this sense of vulnerability with me that like. I just have. I don’t. And it might sound weird, but I just have this thing where people feel vulnerable around me and they feel like they can talk to me, and I almost feel like I’m cracking them open. You know what I mean? Yeah. I’ve never had that with you. Yeah, I’ve never ever, ever had that with you. And I’m just like, at one point it stressed me out because I was like, who doesn’t work with me? But when I read this, I was like wow, like. I don’t do you have the what do you? So this is like you need therapy type B but like. Yeah, definitely accurate. Because to be honest, I can only think about a few people. Like when I’m in those moments of stress and when I when I’m seeking something. Yeah, well, tend to do is actually seek people I’m actually fairly removed from because I’m looking for something objective. And because I know if I go to people close to me like they have a deeper understanding of me. And so they’re gonna tell me something I’m really actually not even trying to hear. Because that means because if I hear it, I’m gonna have to work on it type. Taxi. Taxi. It’s not good. It’s not good. I can hear that you’re not helping Capricorn. Yeah, no, no. But with that right, you are ambitious. You are practical. You were you were conscious of social mores, almost to the point of over concern. I loved ethics class. That’s always making me. Yeah. I think like we always constantly talk about the way we move in the world. And I it’s funny when I read this because like whenever I do some stupid **** you’re like, yeah, right, good, good at it. You’re like, go ahead, go. You said go, you know what I mean? But I feel like you navigate yourself in the in the world in a very morally correct way. 

Gotcha. Yeah. So it’s just it’s it’s crazy to me, but one of the other craziest things was, um, Capricorn represents accomplishments in the material world, prestige, honor, and public success. The driving force though behind it all might be a sense of insecurity or low self esteem. Yeah. Makes me think about like my last name or my brother. Not, not even just my brother. My brothers and my family shout out to the muzzles. Yes. But yeah, when I hear the word prestige on it and these are like strong words, that’s a that’s a lot. But I do think about honoring the people that came before me Yeah. So that’s like the reason for the ambition. Yeah. So it says life is not easy for people with this ascendant. Yeah, I’ve read that part. What the ****? I was like, you’re such a said, maybe you’re traumatized. Go to therapy, please, I beg of you, go to therapy. And then so the last thing I want to talk about within this is that your redemption comes from allowing the love you feel inside of yourself to express itself in visible acts of kindness. That’s deep, right? Your redemption comes from allowing the love you feel inside of yourself to express it. It’s and now the redemption part. I was kind of stuck on cause block. Do you have to redeem yourself for? Right but. Yeah, I think about what? Nah. When you grow up as a man in this country, especially when. Especially when you’re environment is. And I’m not saying, yo, I was, I was raised very well. But just being America and being in this society as a man, like you’re gonna be raised a certain way and you’re gonna internalize certain things. And so when I think about redemption, I think about the man that was before even in high school. Once again, I’m not saying I did nothing crazy, but yeah, I wasn’t like, I’m not the man. I’m here. I’m not the man I wanted to be sitting in front of us today. Thank you. That’s that’s all I was looking for. Not the man that’s in front of y’all today. So when I think about redemption, it’s like not allowing myself to regress into the man that I was for. Sure. Yeah. 

No. And I mean, again, This is why you’re here, Godwin. Because one of the biggest things that I see in the men that I have in my life is the ability to for me to be like, Nah. Look what you just did and then them being able to go back into themselves and be like, alright, you know what I mean, and then come back to me. And it’s it’s it’s a very like girl, don’t. I’m not gonna tell you. I do it all the time. Yeah, but I definitely try to hold the men in my life to a certain esteem. At least my friendships. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Here. It’s good when he hears all of my toxic stories, all of my relationship problems. And I tell you this particularly because you’re so objective, but you’re also also, you gotta be like, girl, you ain’t in the wrong, nothing wrong what you did. And then you have moments where you look at me and you’re like, yeah, that’s true. Which this literally chat like transitions me into our very next segment for today, which is real talk. Um, real talk is a segment where a guest and I talk about real world issues. We get into it like it’s usually things like sexism, colorism, racism, all the isms in the world, or just some real topics in the world, right? And we discuss it for today. Because you are here and you’re the first pan of quality on this pond. I should get you a question. This is man equality anyway. It’s never. Wait. 

So we’re going to get into some, what, toxic masculinity versus divine masculinity, right? I do want to particularly point out that divine masculinity is a lot more spiritual and. Toxic masculinity is very society based, right? So I don’t know. I just want to kind of get into first toxic masculinity, talk about your experience with it and then move on to divine. Divine yo. Hello divine masculinity. So First things first is. I have some notes down, you know, your girl came prepared. If I’m anything is prepared up in this crap, y’all OK. So toxic masculinity, it’s unconditional physical toughness. So there’s not the inability to like, feel hurt, right? Physical aggression, fear of emotion. Discrimination of the people that aren’t heterosexual. Which, let me be honest, oftentimes if a man gets really offended when you ask him if he’s gay, It’s that he ate all that straight up and be honest with you and I wanted to bring this up particularly because. You talked, you talked about at one point. I don’t know if I could bring this up. Ohh, you talked about it at at at one point thinking that you were gay. Ohh. Yes. Yeah, it was very brief. But yeah, but it was because you weren’t like, I’m assuming. Right, because you aren’t this very hard like overly masculine man. Right. Would you agree with that statement or? It’s OK to be honest, it stems from two places. OK. Yeah. One is similar in that lens where I was like, yeah, I’m not like the. Other men in my life like, and granted they’re not even especially tough, especially as I grew up, I realized that, but they seem tough to me. So that was one side of it. And honestly, the other side of it was like, wow, I am getting no play on this side of the field. So maybe I have more luck with the other words. And I was indulging in a lot of the things that I guess we’re kind of adjacent to LGBTQ culture back then. And it’s not even, it’s not even like they should be. But I love Steven universe. That shows like very queer. He’s that shows gay and he’s gay. Yeah, but it is. So, like when I was indulging in things like that, I was like maybe. Took me like 2 weeks. So I was like no, I like no. And it. And it brings me to this point of like, queerness doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re gay. Queerness means 

that you. Um, have a different thought process or a different, like a different view of things, right? Queerness is often thought of as like you’re automatically a part of the LGBT community. No, it just means that you stray from the norm, stray from the norm of heterosexual culture, like, you know what I mean? So that is like something that’s like was really interesting to me. Moving on though. Masculinity also includes violence. A lot that I talked about was like 90% of people in jail are like or men in jail are because of violent crimes. Um and then chauvinism. So chauvinism is a term derived from a French soldier, Nicolas Nicolas Chavon. 

You and I got some fresh in there. It’s defined by an excessive and unreasonable patriotism. In modern society though this term has served shift shifted. This term has shifted to represent ultra national nationalism or attitudes of superiority. At times people use the term male chauvinism to describe anti feminist beliefs that are that men are superior to women. Yeah, see that? Isn’t that crazy though. There’s a whole lot of time for y’all out here. Ohh yeah. I just wanted to have this conversation on, like, I don’t know if you went through these motions of toxic masculinity because I’m honestly, like, in the phase of reversing them from myself. Yeah. I was about to say I also feel like being a man in this. Society, you’re never gonna stop battling these things. Yeah. No, it’s too common. It’s too common. I know for myself. Yeah, fear of emotion. 

Yeah, if you have a fear of emotion and hyper independence are the ones that strike the most for me. Maybe earlier in my life, the others, but like that’s super early in my life. Uh. Yeah, my relationship and OK, obviously talk to masculinity, it’s stemming from, it stems from patriarchy. So we all are like victims of this ****. Yeah, I guess, yeah. My relationship to toxic masculinity, though, at least recently, feels more like. You know, when I talk about those regressions, like, that’s what I’m talking about. Like, I don’t want to regress into like being scared to feel these things, and I don’t want to regress into like. Going right back into my bubble and all those things. I feel like I have to do all those things. Yeah, let’s hear about the others. But. Should they show up? Maybe I’m just not thinking critically enough about them, Um, and I mean, I’ve had to check myself as well in friendships, you know what I mean? And like, I will always reference back to, like, one of my friends being like, you know what? Like you’re kind of mean. And to me, the way you talk to me. Yeah. And the jokes that you do. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I feel like with you it’s funny because it’s different. Like I’m I I like, I I’d be, I’d be ****** with you. But like for fun. And I think, you know, it’s never serious. I I do. And I think it’s, I don’t know, I think it’s interesting because like I remember at some point in my life, like, yeah, we always talk about. You’re like when you’re joking with your friends, you gonna say you say some crazy things sometimes. Yeah. And like sometimes it’s just like straight up meme. But like, you know, it’s a joke. But at the same time, you say joke enough times and it becomes the truth, right? So that’s something I’ve been battling recently. Even when I’m joking with y’all sometimes, sometimes it’ll just be like something straight up rude. That’s funny in the moment, but I can’t imagine being back. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that’s something that I had to battle with. And the fact that, I mean, it was Jayden, right where he was. Like, you don’t really make me feel great when you joke around with me. Like, you don’t make me feel like it’s a friendship, and I, I reflected. I had to reflect back on it and be like. I really don’t, because I feel like there’s two very starkly different sides of myself, you know what I mean? And they coexist very. 

Greatly in the fact of, like, I’m a very feminine person as the fact that I care about your emotions, I care about where you’re talking from, where you’re coming from, and I care to nurture you, right? And then when we came down to kick her, when I feel attacked or when I you’re talking about I’m gonna come at you real slick, right? Yeah. And with I, I feel like I had to, like, reflect in the fact that I was like, I don’t wanna make him feel this way. If anything, I want to affirm him and our friendship. And even when we’re joking like I grew up with around men, you know what I mean? I literally grew up around four men. I like. I always had dudes in my life. I used to be a pygmy, like on some real stuff. I used to have only do like guy friends like. It was crazy, you know what I mean? And like I, I realized that like through the way that they would like relate to me would be making fun of me and picking at me, right? And picking at. And as I had relationships with girls that were also low key pygmies, they had that same habit of picking out everything I was and everything that I did. So as I reflected back on my relationship between them and what I wanted to come of, it was I wanted a sense of like him to feel comfortable with our friendship, like him to feel. Define affirmed him. And I loved him because that was a reality of it, you know? And I just realized that, like, my words hurt. And for him it wasn’t funny, where like as Maddie and I could really come at each other a certain way, she wouldn’t really care, right? But for him, it had deeper than that. It wasn’t just jokes. He internalized it and it it didn’t feel right to him. And it made me analyze. All of my interactions, particularly with men, of like how I treat them and how I treat them in friendship. For me, what the most interesting part of this is, is like alright, like what you. You learned something from that and you identified it as toxic masculinity. He was working on that. I always think about like the work that Jenna had to do, because we all have to do it, actually. OK, I guess we don’t all do it at some point, but. You should. You might get to it. Please. But it’s like that work. Like, I guarantee 

you, I guarantee you. Like where he learned to internalize that and say, yo, that’s not OK with me. It was learned from the women in his life. I guarantee you. I guarantee you it. So I just. Yeah. I just think that’s interesting, And now that we’ve talked about toxic masculinity, I think it’s only fair to talk about divine masculinity, which I honestly, I haven’t talked about much like I feel like. They’re always talking about it, but I truly didn’t know what it was. Does that make sense until I researched it? So, The divine masculinity is marked by action. The energy represents leadership, taking charge and doing rather than being, unlike the feminine energy which is meant to teach us to let things flow and come to us. It’s the I don’t chase, I attract type of vibes. That’s. That’s feminine. OK, I see. And then masculine energy teaches us to follow through. Wow. So the way I identify myself with my math, my divine masculine. It’s the visual visible, not visual visible. Passion and power. So there’s this, like this visible. Like, I love doing this right? And that’s where I identify myself the most with divine masculinity. It’s the confidence. Why don’t identify myself this as much, but I would want to set boundaries. And I see you there too, a lot. I definitely got boundaries. Yeah, you, you set boundaries with your energy a lot. Like you have times where like I could just see it in your face when you’re over it. And I’m like, alright bet. So I’m gonna pipe down real quick and let Mens be. It’s very clear. Divine masculine is very clear on its wants and needs. It’s logical and it’s very logical and analyzes and it’s objective and it’s disciplined. Brings back to that. Like Libra. Yeah, that Libra energy. That’s interesting. It feels good to have like a definition to divine masculine right that 

this feel good it has like and and and honestly for those of you listening and our man and you’re listening to this and I’m like, yo, I want to be this and I want to embody this. How do I activate it within myself? Yeah, how do you. Yeah. How do I activate divine masculinity? Well, don’t you? I got you. Like I’m gonna put you on. OK. So hack to activate your divine masculinity. It’s affirmations about strength, logic, and discipline. So I am a warrior. I am a master of self-discipline. I see things. Clearly and objectively, I am confident. I know when to take action. I like that second one. I am a master of self-discipline. Super Nice, isn’t it? Nice? Yeah. I realized that this is really in the era that I’m in right now. And then where I’m going. And let me tell you why, cuz it’s really interesting as to what we’re going to do because I feel like we’re both in the space of like I’m done talking about this **** it’s time to do it, you know what I mean? Because so divine masculinity takes risks with confidence. So you have to take risks with confidence if you are someone that has great ideas but is afraid to put them out into the world because you’re attached to the outcome. Let it go. Put it out into the world, and whatever comes of it will flourish. Whatever needs to happen with it will flourish. And that is where you learn how to balance your divine and feminine masculinity, right? You’re putting things out into the world, and you know that they will flourish because it’s an idea that you put out into the world and it will attract the traction that it needs, right? Yeah, I heard some similar like from Tyler, The Creator recently and it’s just about. Yeah, just like releasing and allowing. Your ideas and the stuff that you work on to just be. another thing is like start where you are so excess feminine energy can cause stagnation and inaction. Um. So you just have to start from where you are. You have to start somewhere. It doesn’t have to be perfect, right? Which brings us to our very next point of how to activate your divine masculinity is less 

internalization, more action. So keeping a lot of ideas internal and wanting to perfect it before putting it out in the world is useless. Nothing is going to be perfect until you actually put it out there and start morphing it. And that’s where I’m at here with unapologetically soda, if I’m quite honest. Like this is. Where I’m at like I’m doing a lot of low lifts of like I’ve taught I I can’t even tell you. I talked about the shift for like 2 years and I I feel like everybody was tired of me. Like this girl is never gonna put this **** out. And I just realized this cause I wanted things to be perfect. I was scared of the outcome because I needed things to be perfect. I’m learning now. The video we’re gonna one day we’re gonna have a set, right? Is it right now? No. But this is what we have for now. You know what I mean? One day I’m gonna have. Like a more concise way of like, hosting in my perfect right now. No. But it’s where I’m at right now when I’m learning. Right. And I get to bring my audience on this journey of learning with me. Yes. I love how you’re saying where you are going to be. Like, it’s not even a question like this is where I will be. Yeah. And right now it’s just building blocks. You’re building that foundation. Just keep building, building, building, right. And I’m like, and it’s great because there’s certain things where, like it doesn’t have to be perfect, but. I was like me with my cover art. It didn’t have to be perfect, but for me, I knew there was key things that I wanted, so I made those happen. I was action based and decisive and those things. And look at the amazing *** cover I have. Yeah, if you haven’t looked at my cover, I’m so cute. No joke. I’m not playing with y’all y’all ohh y’all forgot, y’all forgot who I was. Hello. Ohh. 

So then and then the next point that I have, which I really struggled with particularly was healing your relationship to the masculine. If you hold bad experiences with men or and overly aggressive people, especially close male figures, you need to heal them. I struggled with this, right? Because men have disappointed me my whole life, like. And in a very this is a very vulnerable moment right now, but like up to from my dad. Like my dad left when he was a month old. When I was a month old, he left my mom and I with nothing, right? My mom had to take charge of the household and be the head of the household. She had to work. horns and take action, right? And and in every relationship that I’ve had with men within my life, whether it’s cause like my abuse as a kid was at the hands of a man, right? Like, there was just this consistent, like, disappointment in men. And I say this and I will reiterate this once again and again. And it’s not that I don’t mean to put any pressure on y’all, but I feel like the relationship I’ve had with you, the relationship I’ve had with Corey, the relationship I’ve had with Jayden, really has healed a part of that. But I feel like there’s still something they’re missing in the sense of like, I also need to heal my relationship with like, stay, stay, set. And like, I mean, this is another unique therapy moment, but like. So that that relationship, or like heal that relationship with my father, heal the relationship with ultimately like my abuser, not in the sense I need to forgive him, but like in the sense of like I need to be OK, right? Let go of the anger or hatred I have towards them, because that’s ultimately triggered my distrust in all men and it has me perpetrating that or putting it on to them. That was a deep reflection, yeah. Do you think you’ve killed your relationship to the masculine? 

Hey, OK, unapologetic. 

Do I feel like I’ve healed my relationship to the masculine I I feel like. I feel like recently I’ve done a regression in that relationship, which was a good thing. It needed to happen cuz I won’t say I felt like. I’ll never say like I felt good where I was at in regards to my relationship to the masculine, but I do know like I didn’t know where to go. So since I had that regression, I’ve realized. You know, a specific hole was poked. And so now I feel really like, I feel like I know what I need to focus on and the work that I have to do. Do you think you were pushing away like certain emotions or like cuz I feel like it’s like, it’s like I’m OK, I’m OK. I’m OK. This has to be OK, right? But then you’re pushing away certain things that you felt like you needed to heal or work through with somebody. Or I feel like for me one of the biggest things, holding somebody accountable for the actions that they’ve made. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think about, yeah, that’s actually that last one. I mean, I think about accountability like and I think about like. Yeah, there there are emotions that I’m feeling and I’ve been doing a great job of recognizing them. But like, it’s also like, how do you move through those emotions? And I was always stagnant in regards to that. So I feel like that’s the whole that was poked and what I’m gonna have to start, I guess, working on. OK, Libra coming through through that Capricorn Rising. I’m right. So the very last thing we have for this divine masculine is standing up for yourself. So remember that sometimes we do have to set boundaries and stick up for ourselves. Even if it’s means pressing somebody’s buttons and it directly correlates what you were just talking about with the accountability, it’s not that you want to hurt anyone. When we don’t stand up for what we believe in, we actually hurt ourselves. So we’re internalizing the hurt that somebody else has an accident on us. So he was talking about, yeah, just now with all the people that you mentioned. He’s like there. She loved Harry. Well, meet you where you’re at, where we are, where we are. No, that’s true of like, you know. 

It’s convenient for the people that have hurt you for. Like that have hurt you to have that hurt in you rather than you holding them accountable for what you did and setting that boundary. If you are no longer going to do this to me. And I feel like it’s a balance right? Because I feel like the experiences that I’ve gone through almost have made me overly critical of the men that are great in my life I I have these fears around my experience so I’m a little over critical of a person or I don’t have any boundaries with them. And I feel like specifically with women, I tend to not have boundaries a lot of the time. Well, that’s dangerous. Yeah. But I feel you. I I think that’s an easy thing to do with same gender. Honestly, when I think about my boundaries. Yeah, they get looser around the dose that I’m with. Right. I’ve also learned that in friendships, there are certain boundaries I have to set with women, and there’s certain things that I don’t like. And I mean, that’s how that’s how you activate your divine femininity. I mean, divine masculinity. And I want to you guys to remember that it’s a balance. You can’t just seek one and not have the other. Divine family, divine femininity and divine masculinity go hand in hand, right? So the seek is a seek of equilibrium. It’s a seek of OK, OK, Mr Libra, look at you, Mr Libra moon. He said, all right. OK. So the very last segment we have for today and something that we will always, always, always, always end with, so get used to it is the affirmation of the day. It’s just a chance for me and my guests to affirm ourselves and to be like, hey, this is what we got today. This is what I’m feeling on the inside and this is what I need to hear. I am a woman that is that loves words of affirmation. So if you resonate it, resonate with it, great. If not, you know it’s not the message you needed to hear today and that’s also OK. Um, so my affirmation for today. Is. I divinely walk in action with my creative endeavors. I’m gonna say it one more time. 

Did you like it or not? Ohh it over here man. You know what I’m saying. You thought you were the only one. God would. They might have to have me at the bottle soon. Who knows? Um, I’m gonna say it one more time for the people in the back. I walk divinely. And in action through my creative endeavors. 

That’s a good one. That’s. Yeah, that’s poetic. I feel like yours doesn’t have to be all that poetic. God, we just went and did the same thing. I was like, I knew this was coming, but I didn’t come prepared. Affirmation that we need to hear. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know if there’s affirmation, but I think about like. Yo, you or I? Gather. Indulge. In. Well, that’s too much. But yeah, I don’t know. I think about soul. I think about heart and just indulging in that, living in it, swimming in it. soul. I indulge in my soul, soul, soul. I indulge in my soul. Look at that. You’ll hear that. Oh, my God, look at that low Berry. Ladies, calm down. Calm down. No, that is beautiful. I indulge in my soul and particularly what we’ve been talking about today and how reflective you are. I think that’s beautiful. I just want to thank you, dude, for coming on the pod. Yeah, thank you. There’s like a real yeah. I’ll be honest, like I’ll hear the podcast episodes. I’m like, Oh yeah, this is this is good. But it’s like a real experience. Preciate that I appreciate you so much and I mean that’s what I strive for so. I wanna thank you, the listener, for sticking with us this far. Yo, we’re on episode 3, and it’s only getting better and better and better. But thank you for riding with this, homie. I hope you enjoyed the ride, because this has been unapologetically Isaura.